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		<title>Comment on Playing to customer emotions in B2B by max</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, you&#039;ve got me thinking...which can be dangerous, I know.  What I am thinking about is how these emotional needs translate to my vocation in making what we offer more accessible...removing stumbling blocks. Folks in my world also get bogged down in features and benefits and endless programs without ever really acknowledging what&#039;s driving people emotionally.  Obviously, we are not something that fits neatly into any business model. But, that being said, most of the stumbling blocks that limit access are in the realm of emotion, operating somewhere below the level of conscious rationality.  I hope you don&#039;t mind if I play around with these on here in the hopes that you might help me work out how this works in my world.

1) Security and peace of mind - seems to me that in my world, marketing aspects of what we do will need to reframe these terms.  We have to manage expectations because the kind of peace and security we talk about don&#039;t match up with cultural expectations of what those are.  A lot of what we do (if we are doing it right and with integrity) will initially be dangerous and conflictual.  So somehow, whatever &quot;marketing&quot; is in our realm has to entail getting a penetration deep into the community about what the terms mean?  Or ought we to be involved in the conversation about their opposites? Not sure, but you definitely have me thinking.

2) Fear of complexity (and a need for simplicity) - Oh man! This is a huge stumbling block and I don&#039;t have an easy answer.  In our realm, everything has to be portable and easily replicable.  What we do has to be able to be replicated anywhere by almost anyone.  Since what we do is done on everyone&#039;s &quot;own time&quot;, if it isn&#039;t simple, people won&#039;t take a first step. That first step is an accessibility issue. I think this stuff  might be something that takes some time to boil down to simple, but simple has to be the goal. I think we actually have to have a very good understanding of everything we do in order to make it simple, and I&#039;m not sure we&#039;re there yet. Simple. Not formulaic.  But simple.  Easy engagement and easy disengagement. Sprints, not marathons. Investment on one&#039;s own terms. Principles over doctrine.  Inspirations over complex instructions. Building blocks with options over fully built systems. Seeds over fully grown plants.

3) Fear of obsolescence - For us, it&#039;s a fear of fad.  Fear of gadget.  People want to connect to a truth that is unchanging.  And many, if not most miss the reality that though the truth may not change, all the vehicles that get us there are culturally encapsulated.  As such, they are in constant flux right now.  This might be about managing expectations ahead of time for us right now. 
 
4) Disdain for the big, evil OEM or corporation (that could even be you) - This one should be easy for us...but it&#039;s not.  No matter how hard we try, it is very hard not to be splattered with the stuff being thrown at the institution.  We aren&#039;t disconnected, but we are distinct and different. We need to stay within a niche that steers clear of &quot;big&quot;, but maintains a level of sustainability.  For us, the stumbling block is &quot;fear of the Institution&quot; instead of the big, evil corporation.  We can do &quot;big box&quot;, but we can&#039;t do &quot;big boss&quot;, because big boss smells of institution.. Anything that smacks of &quot;institution&quot; is a stumbling block to accessibility.  That&#039;s tricky stuff.

5) Need to be top dog or seen as a thought leader (not necessarily as an organization but as an individual) - In our model, everyone is an innovator. Everyone is invited to lead.  It sounds like you end up herding cats, but we really don&#039;t.  We&#039;re kind of anti-ego here...no, we&#039;re totally anti-ego here, but the need that&#039;s wrapped up in this emotional set is very much at work here.  People want to have an impact, and they want to see the impact.  They don&#039;t want to lead all the time, but they want to lead some of the time. They want their investment, small or large, to matter.  They want to be able to move in and out of  impactful participation at their own pace.  But when they choose to play, they want to the ball.

6) Fear of unpredictability, inconsistency or failure (not at the product level but as a team or organization) - Yeah. Real. Not our strongest suit.  This may again be a matter of &quot;bragging about the problem&quot;.  It may be a matter of intentionally managing expectations (our &quot;Book&quot; does a lot of that - &quot;Count the cost&quot;, etc.).  We work in a vary volatile &quot;market&quot;.  It is constantly changing, and the ones who are most successful at reaching it will be the ones who stay flexible enough to deal with unpredictability and inconsistency as normal.  Failure? The ones who are successful fail the most.  But the organization failing or coming apart? That&#039;s real.

7) Desire to be perceived as charitable or benevolent - Here&#039;s where the institution failed.  They forgot that people want to participate in &quot;goodness&quot;.  Again, they want to see the impact. The institution separated charity from the individual so that goodness was meted out largely by proxy, if goodness was meted out at all.  For us, we&#039;re kind of in the &quot;reality&quot; thing, more so than the &quot;perception&quot; thing.  And we kind of don&#039;t care who gets the credit...frown upon folks seeking credit. But, once again, the emotional need is real.  It&#039;s especially real at the point of accessibility.  People want to be a part of something that is known for its goodness, charity, and benevolence.  If we aren&#039;t seen, first and foremost, as representing these, we end up not even being on people&#039;s radar screens when they go looking to meet that emotional need.  Our &quot;brand&quot; (I really don&#039;t want to make it into something as simple as a &quot;brand&quot;, but the categories match up for the purpose of this conversation) has to become synonymous with &quot;charity and benevolence&quot;, which means we have to get our brand apart from other brands that do not mean that to people.  We can&#039;t just be putting what we do out there as if it is part of some larger thing, because the larger thing&#039;s brand is not at all what we&#039;re after.

Sorry for rambling here.  I learn a ton from interacting with these posts.  Like I said, what we do isn&#039;t exactly the same, but what you do really helps me to get better grip on what I do...particularly on the organizational level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, you&#8217;ve got me thinking&#8230;which can be dangerous, I know.  What I am thinking about is how these emotional needs translate to my vocation in making what we offer more accessible&#8230;removing stumbling blocks. Folks in my world also get bogged down in features and benefits and endless programs without ever really acknowledging what&#8217;s driving people emotionally.  Obviously, we are not something that fits neatly into any business model. But, that being said, most of the stumbling blocks that limit access are in the realm of emotion, operating somewhere below the level of conscious rationality.  I hope you don&#8217;t mind if I play around with these on here in the hopes that you might help me work out how this works in my world.</p>
<p>1) Security and peace of mind &#8211; seems to me that in my world, marketing aspects of what we do will need to reframe these terms.  We have to manage expectations because the kind of peace and security we talk about don&#8217;t match up with cultural expectations of what those are.  A lot of what we do (if we are doing it right and with integrity) will initially be dangerous and conflictual.  So somehow, whatever &#8220;marketing&#8221; is in our realm has to entail getting a penetration deep into the community about what the terms mean?  Or ought we to be involved in the conversation about their opposites? Not sure, but you definitely have me thinking.</p>
<p>2) Fear of complexity (and a need for simplicity) &#8211; Oh man! This is a huge stumbling block and I don&#8217;t have an easy answer.  In our realm, everything has to be portable and easily replicable.  What we do has to be able to be replicated anywhere by almost anyone.  Since what we do is done on everyone&#8217;s &#8220;own time&#8221;, if it isn&#8217;t simple, people won&#8217;t take a first step. That first step is an accessibility issue. I think this stuff  might be something that takes some time to boil down to simple, but simple has to be the goal. I think we actually have to have a very good understanding of everything we do in order to make it simple, and I&#8217;m not sure we&#8217;re there yet. Simple. Not formulaic.  But simple.  Easy engagement and easy disengagement. Sprints, not marathons. Investment on one&#8217;s own terms. Principles over doctrine.  Inspirations over complex instructions. Building blocks with options over fully built systems. Seeds over fully grown plants.</p>
<p>3) Fear of obsolescence &#8211; For us, it&#8217;s a fear of fad.  Fear of gadget.  People want to connect to a truth that is unchanging.  And many, if not most miss the reality that though the truth may not change, all the vehicles that get us there are culturally encapsulated.  As such, they are in constant flux right now.  This might be about managing expectations ahead of time for us right now. </p>
<p>4) Disdain for the big, evil OEM or corporation (that could even be you) &#8211; This one should be easy for us&#8230;but it&#8217;s not.  No matter how hard we try, it is very hard not to be splattered with the stuff being thrown at the institution.  We aren&#8217;t disconnected, but we are distinct and different. We need to stay within a niche that steers clear of &#8220;big&#8221;, but maintains a level of sustainability.  For us, the stumbling block is &#8220;fear of the Institution&#8221; instead of the big, evil corporation.  We can do &#8220;big box&#8221;, but we can&#8217;t do &#8220;big boss&#8221;, because big boss smells of institution.. Anything that smacks of &#8220;institution&#8221; is a stumbling block to accessibility.  That&#8217;s tricky stuff.</p>
<p>5) Need to be top dog or seen as a thought leader (not necessarily as an organization but as an individual) &#8211; In our model, everyone is an innovator. Everyone is invited to lead.  It sounds like you end up herding cats, but we really don&#8217;t.  We&#8217;re kind of anti-ego here&#8230;no, we&#8217;re totally anti-ego here, but the need that&#8217;s wrapped up in this emotional set is very much at work here.  People want to have an impact, and they want to see the impact.  They don&#8217;t want to lead all the time, but they want to lead some of the time. They want their investment, small or large, to matter.  They want to be able to move in and out of  impactful participation at their own pace.  But when they choose to play, they want to the ball.</p>
<p>6) Fear of unpredictability, inconsistency or failure (not at the product level but as a team or organization) &#8211; Yeah. Real. Not our strongest suit.  This may again be a matter of &#8220;bragging about the problem&#8221;.  It may be a matter of intentionally managing expectations (our &#8220;Book&#8221; does a lot of that &#8211; &#8220;Count the cost&#8221;, etc.).  We work in a vary volatile &#8220;market&#8221;.  It is constantly changing, and the ones who are most successful at reaching it will be the ones who stay flexible enough to deal with unpredictability and inconsistency as normal.  Failure? The ones who are successful fail the most.  But the organization failing or coming apart? That&#8217;s real.</p>
<p>7) Desire to be perceived as charitable or benevolent &#8211; Here&#8217;s where the institution failed.  They forgot that people want to participate in &#8220;goodness&#8221;.  Again, they want to see the impact. The institution separated charity from the individual so that goodness was meted out largely by proxy, if goodness was meted out at all.  For us, we&#8217;re kind of in the &#8220;reality&#8221; thing, more so than the &#8220;perception&#8221; thing.  And we kind of don&#8217;t care who gets the credit&#8230;frown upon folks seeking credit. But, once again, the emotional need is real.  It&#8217;s especially real at the point of accessibility.  People want to be a part of something that is known for its goodness, charity, and benevolence.  If we aren&#8217;t seen, first and foremost, as representing these, we end up not even being on people&#8217;s radar screens when they go looking to meet that emotional need.  Our &#8220;brand&#8221; (I really don&#8217;t want to make it into something as simple as a &#8220;brand&#8221;, but the categories match up for the purpose of this conversation) has to become synonymous with &#8220;charity and benevolence&#8221;, which means we have to get our brand apart from other brands that do not mean that to people.  We can&#8217;t just be putting what we do out there as if it is part of some larger thing, because the larger thing&#8217;s brand is not at all what we&#8217;re after.</p>
<p>Sorry for rambling here.  I learn a ton from interacting with these posts.  Like I said, what we do isn&#8217;t exactly the same, but what you do really helps me to get better grip on what I do&#8230;particularly on the organizational level.</p>
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		<title>Comment on VW gears up underserved segment by Hnr</title>
		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2011/05/20/vw-gears-up-underserved-segment/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hnr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, first of all I&#039;d like to say that your analysis of the last VW commercials is very interesting. Actually I&#039;m working on an analysis of VW(especially golf) marketing for school and I&#039;ve just found your article. But my question is : Do you think that VW has a particular costumer target? Because you&#039;re saying suburbs family and so on but this is only for the passat right? Personally I think that VW range is so wide that a single target could not exist(just my opinion, could be wrong). So maybe you could share with me your opinion (and of course you&#039;ll be named in the source).
Greets from Belgium!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, first of all I&#8217;d like to say that your analysis of the last VW commercials is very interesting. Actually I&#8217;m working on an analysis of VW(especially golf) marketing for school and I&#8217;ve just found your article. But my question is : Do you think that VW has a particular costumer target? Because you&#8217;re saying suburbs family and so on but this is only for the passat right? Personally I think that VW range is so wide that a single target could not exist(just my opinion, could be wrong). So maybe you could share with me your opinion (and of course you&#8217;ll be named in the source).<br />
Greets from Belgium!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Playing to customer emotions in B2B by Kris Kaneta</title>
		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2011/07/11/playing-to-customer-emotions-in-b2b/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kris Kaneta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brenda - I&#039;d definitely say &quot;fun&quot; is an emotion. Look at the Harlem Globetrotters. People pay to see them because they&#039;re fun. Rock concerts are fun - people can listen to the same songs on your MP3 player (just as you could use any old purse), but you go for an experience that you can connect with emotionally. I&#039;d also say &quot;treating yourself&quot; is an emotion - making yourself feel special by purchasing something you just don&#039;t need. 

I guess the bigger challenge is how the heck do we turn B2B into something akin to a rock concert. Obviously that&#039;s probably a stretch but harnessing those emotions is exactly what I&#039;m talking about.

Thanks for the post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenda &#8211; I&#8217;d definitely say &#8220;fun&#8221; is an emotion. Look at the Harlem Globetrotters. People pay to see them because they&#8217;re fun. Rock concerts are fun &#8211; people can listen to the same songs on your MP3 player (just as you could use any old purse), but you go for an experience that you can connect with emotionally. I&#8217;d also say &#8220;treating yourself&#8221; is an emotion &#8211; making yourself feel special by purchasing something you just don&#8217;t need. </p>
<p>I guess the bigger challenge is how the heck do we turn B2B into something akin to a rock concert. Obviously that&#8217;s probably a stretch but harnessing those emotions is exactly what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Playing to customer emotions in B2B by Brenda Toy</title>
		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2011/07/11/playing-to-customer-emotions-in-b2b/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brenda Toy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i can so relate to this post. i just bought a coach purse...way too expensive, not really practical, so it was a totally irrational purchase....but i did it anyway....because it was fun!!  i&#039;m not sure if you&#039;d call that an emotion but i want to have more fun than not.... if we can inject more fun in to our marketing i think it would make a big difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can so relate to this post. i just bought a coach purse&#8230;way too expensive, not really practical, so it was a totally irrational purchase&#8230;.but i did it anyway&#8230;.because it was fun!!  i&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;d call that an emotion but i want to have more fun than not&#8230;. if we can inject more fun in to our marketing i think it would make a big difference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The schizophrenic marketer by Kris Kaneta</title>
		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2011/06/30/the-schizophrenic-marketer/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kris Kaneta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kelly! I enjoyed that post. I agree that anyone who says they know exactly how to measure the impact of social tools like Facebook is kidding themselves. Though ultimately the yard stick is more revenue - it&#039;s virtually impossible to draw that sort of connection, especially in complex long-cycle sales businesses. And the FB &quot;like&quot; is perhaps the worst measure, at least as it stands today without any understanding of who those likers are and whether or not it influences buying behavior (theirs or their peers).

Anyway, thanks for sharing. PS... your blog never fails to make me laugh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kelly! I enjoyed that post. I agree that anyone who says they know exactly how to measure the impact of social tools like Facebook is kidding themselves. Though ultimately the yard stick is more revenue &#8211; it&#8217;s virtually impossible to draw that sort of connection, especially in complex long-cycle sales businesses. And the FB &#8220;like&#8221; is perhaps the worst measure, at least as it stands today without any understanding of who those likers are and whether or not it influences buying behavior (theirs or their peers).</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for sharing. PS&#8230; your blog never fails to make me laugh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The schizophrenic marketer by Kelly</title>
		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2011/06/30/the-schizophrenic-marketer/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 21:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thinking about the (non) value of &quot;Likes&quot; I thought it was interesting that this post came out on the same days as yours.
http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_emotion/2011/06/probook.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about the (non) value of &#8220;Likes&#8221; I thought it was interesting that this post came out on the same days as yours.<br />
<a href="http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_emotion/2011/06/probook.html" rel="nofollow">http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_emotion/2011/06/probook.html</a></p>
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		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2010/12/17/995/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marketing vs customer value &#171; Marketing Muster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] As a vendor, you have to ask yourself whether that White Paper is telling the customer something they can find in any first year MBA textbook, whether that blog post titled “37 Ways to Supercharge Your Marketing Plan” is really all that insightful, or whether the news you’re hiding behind a paywall is something the customer can freely find somewhere else (see also: the Disney Corporation). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As a vendor, you have to ask yourself whether that White Paper is telling the customer something they can find in any first year MBA textbook, whether that blog post titled “37 Ways to Supercharge Your Marketing Plan” is really all that insightful, or whether the news you’re hiding behind a paywall is something the customer can freely find somewhere else (see also: the Disney Corporation). [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on 8.5 billion? DOLLARS? by Skype: An option for a brain drain &#171; Marketing Muster</title>
		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2011/05/10/8-5-billion-dollars/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skype: An option for a brain drain &#171; Marketing Muster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] weeks ago news broke of Microsoft’s purchase of internet VOIP/VidOIP service Skype. At the time I wrote about what the strategic play might be for Microsoft, what they might consider doing with the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] weeks ago news broke of Microsoft’s purchase of internet VOIP/VidOIP service Skype. At the time I wrote about what the strategic play might be for Microsoft, what they might consider doing with the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Going beyond the sizzle (of technology marketing) by Kathy Sierra: Pixie Dust &#38; The Mountain of Mediocrity &#171; Marketing Muster</title>
		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2011/06/08/going-beyond-the-sizzle-of-technology-marketing/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy Sierra: Pixie Dust &#38; The Mountain of Mediocrity &#171; Marketing Muster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A nice companion read to Kris’ Going beyond the sizzle (of technology marketing). [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Going beyond the sizzle (of technology marketing) by Kris Kaneta</title>
		<link>http://marketingmuster.com/2011/06/08/going-beyond-the-sizzle-of-technology-marketing/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kris Kaneta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ramiro, great point. The people notion goes well beyond B2B and/or technology. Most people, all things being equal make purchasing decisions based on emotional ties.  And those emotions materialize in the people the brand represents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramiro, great point. The people notion goes well beyond B2B and/or technology. Most people, all things being equal make purchasing decisions based on emotional ties.  And those emotions materialize in the people the brand represents.</p>
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